Comp cams swap..>Day 1

[horspwr]

Started my cam swap this afternoon. It took me about 2 hours to get to where I am now.

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The valve covers are a MOTHER to get off.....

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Hopefully I'll be done sometime tomorrow afternoon.

[Joey5.4]

lol you got the easy part over ! the front cover is very fun. just getting to the cams is the hardest part of the swap. good luck on it!

[1low03gt]

I found that the cam covers are way easier to take off without the intake.It allows more room,but this is not an intake swap LOL! :lol:
Good luck. 8-)

[oxman]

looking like your off to a great start! Keep em coming!

[Blackout_03]

looks great....cant wait to hear it!!!

[silverM6TA]

looks kinda wierd watching a cam swap on something other than a ls1. looks extremely difficult with the whole 2 cam thing. lol. but good luck and cant wait to hear it.

[Blackout_03]

lol...think thats crazy looking...open up a 4V head...with 2 cams on each head

[Joey5.4]

looks kinda wierd watching a cam swap on something other than a ls1. looks extremely difficult with the whole 2 cam thing. lol. but good luck and cant wait to hear it.
looks difficult, but is actually easier to do in the engine bay.

[horspwr]

Just finished up. Runs great but wants to die sometimes when I come to a stop. All in all I'm really happy with it, I proly go up to Rivermarket tonight and cruise around. Maybe I'll see of you there.

Out with the old

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DONE!!!!

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Here's a short sound clip. My camera was acting stupid so I only got a few seconds...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll230/horspwr/th_MOV05075.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll230/horspwr/?action=view&current=MOV05075.flv)

[oxman]

bravo,,nice job sir!! But i must say,,i would have enjoyed hearing a good rev! ;)

[silverM6TA]

glad it went well. sounds mean.

[horspwr]

glad it went well. sounds mean.
Yeah, it went really well. Only hang up was the stock cams use a 10mm bolt to hold the gear on. The non-pi cams use a 12mm bolt (which is actually better). NAPA bailed me out.... :lol: Now I just need to get it tuned.

[1low03gt]

Sounds sweet!! :twisted: Awesome job!

[horspwr]

Sounds sweet!! :twisted: Awesome job!
Thanks!

[Zak Attack]

uh oh interested in doing a bigger 4.6l?

[06MUSTANGGT24V]

Sounds really good man

[Blackout_03]

sounds great....let me know when your ready to tackel a 4v car...i have the perfect one in mind ;)


also time for some gears and a 3600 stall. Really have a street monster then.

[Joey5.4]

you need to adjust your tps andit will solve the going dead. our cars you have to drill out the 2 holes just a little so you have play in it. I cant remember how many ohms to set it. you may can just do it by ear.

[silverM6TA]

you need to adjust your tps andit will solve the going dead. our cars you have to drill out the 2 holes just a little so you have play in it. I cant remember how many ohms to set it. you may can just do it by ear.

as interesting as that sound, i have no idea what the meaning of your statement was. curiuos to what you are talking about.

[Joey5.4]

he said his only problem was it goes dead when he stops, he needs to adjust his throttle positionin sensor and in order to do that he has to make the 2 bolt hole just a tad bigger because there is no play in it from factory. when I said ohms, I was wrong, the tps is by volts though.

[stumbaugh]

Hmm, see my green hunk of a junk car does the same thing. (i call it a piece because the gas pedal fell off today going down the road...it was pretty awsome) But as soon as you would like some extra money in your pocket i will bring u my car to do the cam swap in it. I just havent decided between going with Comp Stage 2's, HighTech stage 2's, or the new Trickflow stage 2's. What are you guys thoughts?

[Joey5.4]

I cant speak for anything but the comp stage 2's, but you cant got wrong with them. thats what I had in my 4.6 and they are the same cams I am using in the 5.4 I am building.

[horspwr]

Hmm, see my green hunk of a junk car does the same thing. (i call it a piece because the gas pedal fell off today going down the road...it was pretty awsome) But as soon as you would like some extra money in your pocket i will bring u my car to do the cam swap in it. I just havent decided between going with Comp Stage 2's, HighTech stage 2's, or the new Trickflow stage 2's. What are you guys thoughts?

I did a lot of reasearch on cams before I bought mine. When you look at Comp Cams realize that they offer Non-PI cams as well as PI cams. Since your car is is a '99, you can use either cam with no problems. I chose the EX274H which is a Non-PI cam because they are ground with .500 lift. The PI cams are ground with .550 lift. A lot of stuff I have read says that the stock springs can handle up to .550 but you lose a little low end torque with it. That's why I chose the EX274H. If you want a choppy idle you need to choose a cam with considerable amount of duration. Mine are 236/240 which is about the max you can go without having to notch the pistons. Too much duration and you run the risk of PTV (piston to valve contact).

I have also read a lot of good things about the Hitech Stage II cams. They claim these cams will add as much as 50 RWHP with a few bolt ons. They have a really tight LSA (111) which also makes the idle choppy.

Obviously there is no data on Trick Flow cams yet because they are so new. I called Summit and they don't even stock 'em yet even though they are in their new catalog? Trick Flow has no info whatsoever on their website either. I did notice the Stage cam has some ungodly lift at .580 which would make changing valve springs a necessity.

My thoughts.....choose wisely! There's a lot of good info out there so do your research. When you get ready to part with your car for about 3 days let me know and I'll hook you up. For nominal fee of course..... :D

[stumbaugh]

Hmm, see my green hunk of a junk car does the same thing. (i call it a piece because the gas pedal fell off today going down the road...it was pretty awsome) But as soon as you would like some extra money in your pocket i will bring u my car to do the cam swap in it. I just havent decided between going with Comp Stage 2's, HighTech stage 2's, or the new Trickflow stage 2's. What are you guys thoughts?

I did a lot of reasearch on cams before I bought mine. When you look at Comp Cams realize that they offer Non-PI cams as well as PI cams. Since your car is is a '99, you can use either cam with no problems. I chose the EX274H which is a Non-PI cam because they are ground with .500 lift. The PI cams are ground with .550 lift. A lot of stuff I have read says that the stock springs can handle up to .550 but you lose a little low end torque with it. That's why I chose the EX274H. If you want a choppy idle you need to choose a cam with considerable amount of duration. Mine are 236/240 which is about the max you can go without having to notch the pistons. Too much duration and you run the risk of PTV (piston to valve contact).

I have also read a lot of good things about the Hitech Stage II cams. They claim these cams will add as much as 50 RWHP with a few bolt ons. They have a really tight LSA (111) which also makes the idle choppy.

Obviously there is no data on Trick Flow cams yet because they are so new. I called Summit and they don't even stock 'em yet even though they are in their new catalog? Trick Flow has no info whatsoever on their website either. I did notice the Stage cam has some ungodly lift at .580 which would make changing valve springs a necessity.

My thoughts.....choose wisely! There's a lot of good info out there so do your research. When you get ready to part with your car for about 3 days let me know and I'll hook you up. For nominal fee of course..... :D
i did alot of research today on cams and i have decided to go with the HiTech stage 2's. They are saying they have no bottom end loss, they actually gain a little bit of torque at about 2k over the stock PI cams which is awsome. When i get ready to get them done (which im thinking will be soon) i will let you know. How much cash were you thinking it would be?

[horspwr]

Hmm, see my green hunk of a junk car does the same thing. (i call it a piece because the gas pedal fell off today going down the road...it was pretty awsome) But as soon as you would like some extra money in your pocket i will bring u my car to do the cam swap in it. I just havent decided between going with Comp Stage 2's, HighTech stage 2's, or the new Trickflow stage 2's. What are you guys thoughts?

I did a lot of reasearch on cams before I bought mine. When you look at Comp Cams realize that they offer Non-PI cams as well as PI cams. Since your car is is a '99, you can use either cam with no problems. I chose the EX274H which is a Non-PI cam because they are ground with .500 lift. The PI cams are ground with .550 lift. A lot of stuff I have read says that the stock springs can handle up to .550 but you lose a little low end torque with it. That's why I chose the EX274H. If you want a choppy idle you need to choose a cam with considerable amount of duration. Mine are 236/240 which is about the max you can go without having to notch the pistons. Too much duration and you run the risk of PTV (piston to valve contact).

I have also read a lot of good things about the Hitech Stage II cams. They claim these cams will add as much as 50 RWHP with a few bolt ons. They have a really tight LSA (111) which also makes the idle choppy.

Obviously there is no data on Trick Flow cams yet because they are so new. I called Summit and they don't even stock 'em yet even though they are in their new catalog? Trick Flow has no info whatsoever on their website either. I did notice the Stage cam has some ungodly lift at .580 which would make changing valve springs a necessity.

My thoughts.....choose wisely! There's a lot of good info out there so do your research. When you get ready to part with your car for about 3 days let me know and I'll hook you up. For nominal fee of course..... :D
i did alot of research today on cams and i have decided to go with the HiTech stage 2's. They are saying they have no bottom end loss, they actually gain a little bit of torque at about 2k over the stock PI cams which is awsome. When i get ready to get them done (which im thinking will be soon) i will let you know. How much cash were you thinking it would be?

I'd probably do it for $300. You're looking at about 10 hours work.

[1low03gt]

When i did my cams 3 years ago....i think,man time flies LOL!....,the cams to have were either Comps,or VT's.
I searched the net (Modular Depot specifically as they were the website for the hard core in the day)for dyno graphs,and posts on guys that have done the homework,and proven it on the strip,reason i went with the VT stage II N/A cams.Now they are no longer around due to bad buisiness,but....the guy that spec/designed the VT cams is selling them under his own company now.....
http://www.cushmanmotorsports.com/
But now these days,HiTech stage II's seem to be the win.But they are a good street/strip cam.
When deciding on cams,you need to decide your main goal,and purpose for your stang,not just by the sound of the cam.They all have there benefits,it's just all in what you want from the cams you select.

[stumbaugh]

well the goal i want with this motor is to be able to drive it everyday and not have that bad driveablity problems out of it. I am going to be spraying 150 to it as soon as i get an intake. I did a little more research last night and these cams in a GT like mine with an aftermarket throttle body, plenum, long tubes, X pipe, bassani cat back, underdrives and a tune on slicks went 12.1 in the quarter on motor. And that's at full weight with the AC, sway bar, rear seat, spare tire and jack. Im thinking since i have a few more mods than him (speaking in terms of when i get the cams) and have alot less weight in my car and have a 150 shot im thinking i should be DEEP into the 9's. Cause i should be able to break the 9 second zone with a 100 shot with my stock intake. Im thinking with the cams, an intake, 150 shot, and slicks i should be in the low 9's to high 8's. But i could be wrong.

[Blackout_03]

I hope you talking about 9's and 8's at C-ville? With full bolt ons and Cams you should run 9's with good tires at the ville. With the spray 8's should be no prob....until you start braking trannies and axels.

[stumbaugh]

yes i did mean at centerville. I forgot to mention that. Ya i dont see why i wouldnt be able to turn some 8 second passes on slicks. Ya i dont figure the stock 28 spline axles would like leaving at 6k on a 150 shot on slicks.

[Joey5.4]

you will be suprised what stock axles can handle, there is a fox body in my back yard we built that had ran mid 8's in 1000' and 10.5's in 1/4 leaving on on a trans break with a 150 shot and has cut some 1.4 60's on a completley stock rear end other than ring and pinion with a girdle.

[Joey5.4]

I hope you talking about 9's and 8's at C-ville? With full bolt ons and Cams you should run 9's with good tires at the ville. With the spray 8's should be no prob....until you start braking trannies and axels.
it will take more than bolt ons,cams, and 150 shot on a 2v 4.6 to run 8's in the 1000'. My car only time it went to the track on some little 245/45r17 nitto dragradials with crappy 2.1 60' ran 10.8@106 in 1000' thats with full bolt ons, 125 shot, and comp stage XE270 cams. with some good tires I probably would have been 10.0 or so maybe 9.8 at the most if the wind was blowing from the rear in perfect conditions.

[Blackout_03]

****....ive gone 10.1@103 at c-ville with a JLT,O/R X, CB, SCT tuner, and 4.10 gears with 26" MT ET steets

[Joey5.4]

yea the 2v is no comparison to the 3v much less a 4v. like I said even tho I had dr's, they were very small and I had traction issues I know the car would have went very low 10's easy and maybe high 9's. but 8's out of a 2v will be hard. the fox body i mentioned with stock axles has a 347 with victor heads and intake, hyd roller cam, and srp piston with an art car c4 on a brake and a 150 and it went 8.6's

[stumbaugh]

Well, since my car has already went 10.90's on a 245/45/17 street tire. I know that on a 150 shot it would very easily go 9's since i will be using the same tire that chy uses (26x10.50 ET street). But im changing things up a little bit than it is right now. Im taking the shorty headers off and going long tubes, taking the H pipe off and going X. I think that im gonna go 4.10's. Buying a JLT cold air, and going with the trickflow or edelbrock victor jr intake. Im very confident that with those mods, plus Hitech stage 2's, 150 shot, and 26x10.50 ET Streets it would dip into the 8's. But hey, i guess we wont find out until i get this done.

[Blackout_03]

A bollt on M1 will dyno @3oohp and a bolt on GT with cams and LTs will dyno@ 300 also. So both should performe pretty equal. With the weight being very close

[stumbaugh]

A bollt on M1 will dyno @3oohp and a bolt on GT with cams and LTs will dyno@ 300 also. So both should performe pretty equal. With the weight being very close
That makes me want a M1 really bad. U should help me find one.