Rotating Assembly

[04_S/C_GT]

Where is a good place to get one? What brand do yall recommend? How hard is it. If its recommended that i get someone else to do it then who? Thanks.

[06invertmini]

You blowing stuff up? lol. I would just get somone on here to help you do it. Its not hard. Ill lend a hand also.

What exactly are you looking for? Just crank, rods? If so just look at mmr and or livernois or DSS.

Oh and also do forged while your there, since your boosted anyways.

[04_S/C_GT]

Well Ive pretty much maxed out my motor as it sits now and im just looking to get a lil more out of it. If I can get a rotating assembly in for pretty cheap then I could do some suspension mods while im at it. If the rotating assembly is gonna cost too much then I will just have to stick with suspension mods for now.

[Joey5.4]

Call Pro Power Perfomance Parts 954 491 6988. They have a ebay store to, but be sure that ists Pro Power performance parts because they are 2 pro powers on ebay.
This is where I got my 5.4 stuff, I got rods, piston,pins,rings,head gaskets, arp main studs, and arp head studs shipped for under $1,500.
Kuntz & Co. does all the machine work on motors we build, and the done my 5.4, and If you want it built profesinally, I wuld get either them or Keith Craft, but Craft is more expensive, but Kuntz is just as good if not better. There isnt Much to building these mod motors if you have ever built a motor, and if you wanted it done your self I wouldnt mind helping you out.

[redsvt]

if i can pursuade anyone at all DO NOT do business with keith craft. long story!!!

[Str33tr]

if i can pursuade anyone at all DO NOT do business with keith craft. long story!!!
hmmm... I've heard good things from a couple friends that bought stuff from KC.

[stumbaugh]

Mmr all the way. Awsome customer service and all. I had a fully forged 5.1 stroker good for 900rwhp and stage 2 ported heads and custom ground cams priced shipped to my door for around 5k. Plus throw a warantee on that...can't beat that price

[Joey5.4]

if i can pursuade anyone at all DO NOT do business with keith craft. long story!!!
you are not only person I have heard with negative stuff about them, I know they screwed up my uncles 410. I have never had them do work for me though.

[04_S/C_GT]

I would really like to do it myself and the auto hobby shop on base should have everything I need. I never rebuilt a motor but I really want to learn how. I have one of those how to books but I dont remember the name but it would be awesome to have someone there with experience. How long would it typically take to rebuild a motor. If its gonna take too long or cost too much then I'm gonna scrap the idea and start working on suspension and drivetrain.

[Blackout_03]

I wouldn't bother trying to. Build a short block....it a pain in the butt...I would just buy a built short block. Slap your heads and parts on it. Then you have a spare short block to sell, build...what ever you want to do

[stumbaugh]

No point in having 600rwhp if u can't put it to the ground.

[06invertmini]

I wouldn't bother trying to. Build a short block....it a pain in the butt...I would just buy a built short block. Slap your heads and parts on it. Then you have a spare short block to sell, build...what ever you want to do

Yep i would also take this route. You can grab a 4.6 cast iron 2valve block for like 200 bucks or around that used. That would also give you the option while its out to do the 5.0 stroker bottom end. If you do it that way you can assemble it as many times as you want until you are comfortable to put it in the car.

[Joey5.4]

I would really like to do it myself and the auto hobby shop on base should have everything I need. I never rebuilt a motor but I really want to learn how. I have one of those how to books but I dont remember the name but it would be awesome to have someone there with experience. How long would it typically take to rebuild a motor. If its gonna take too long or cost too much then I'm gonna scrap the idea and start working on suspension and drivetrain.
It is more to be proud of to say you built it yourself. It depends on time of year on how long it will take if you take it to a well known machine shop that build race engines. the machine work is the longest process, if you have all the parts, you can have the engine built in a day, but it may be a few weeks to a few months waiting on machine work, maybe a little longer if the build the engine. If you want to build/ have one built and not have your car down, I have a few 4.6 blocks...

[Blackjack]

I'm a build it myself all the way kinda guy. Usually you can do it cheaper, but there's been times when I screwed a bearing up or broke a ring, and told myself, "That's it, getting someone to build the next one!" However, I never do. Mainly because I enjoy the learning different thing on different engines. Matter a fact, I'm about to find a 4 valve. Haha! Kicking the idea around about putting a 4 valve in a Fox. I may not, but I'm getting it to learn more about the mod motors.

Sorry about the long deal. Lol! Just my 2 cents, if ya do get someone to build it, he's prolly pricey but I go with Kuntz no doubt. If you looking for good, close, and not to pricey check with BB&T racing in Southaven, MS.

[Joey5.4]

Kuntz really isnt bad on prices, but Ive done some dealing with bb&t and they are pretty good guys and do great work.

[Blackjack]

Kuntz really isnt bad on prices, but Ive done some dealing with bb&t and they are pretty good guys and do great work.

Totally agree! I've talked to Jim before, he's a great, helpful guy. Same goes for Dennis and Derrick.

[Blackout_03]

Is this your DD?....if so do you trust your self to do it right the first time?

Yeah its nice to say I built the motor till u blow the thing up cause its put together wrong and you didn't know any better...if you do it wrong not only are you out the time and money to do it wrong....but now your out more money and time than had you just spent the money on a built block and just droped it in.


It comes down to what do u have more of.....time or money?.....for me its money...I can buy a built long block and have it the car in a weekend.....I don't have the time to pull the motor, tear it apart....send the parts out to get machined and put back together, get it back to my shop then put it in the car....efff that!!!...long block FTW!

[hammerhead2]

Building it or buying it both have there ups and downs. I would prefer to build one myself, then I KNOW how its put together, but it can be a hassle too. If I was going to buy the short block I would either hit up Kuntz or MMR. I have never heard anything but good reports on both of them.

[Joey5.4]

Buying a built block may save the hassle, but what if after you spend that extra money to have it built, it screws up? there has been several people buy built motors that something was wrong. I know where windor block is sitting right now that was a 410 long block built by Keith Craft that they screwed up...

[Blackout_03]

yeah it happens and when it does thats all you hear about is that shop....you dont hear about the thousands of blocks that are doing fine with no issues. Any good shop should also stand behind there motors and make it right.

[04_S/C_GT]

I understand that I could run into problems along the way. Its just part of building a car. I really want to do it myself but I would feel more comfortable if I had a professional do it. Its a little more money then what I was wanting to spend right now and if I have a built motor then I'm gonna want to get more and more power out of it when there is alot more I need to do to the car to handle that kind of power. I appreciate everyones advice but I think I need to be a little smarter with this and start working on the suspension, drivetrain and frame stiffening. I know I'll deploy again within the year so I should be able knock out most of my suspension and frame stiffening and probably most of my drivetrain within a year or so. Which brings up more questions. I want a good handling car but I'm not sure how far I should go with my suspension. MM has a Maximum Grip package that looks awesome but it might be over kill. I plan on my car being a weekend driver so I would like it to still be somewhat comfortable but not a cadillac. I also would like to know yalls opinions on transmission. I like the TKO 600 and the T-56 but I would like to know yalls opinons on 5 vs. 6 speeds. If there is anything else yall would recommend upgrading soon then im open to advise. Here is a list of upgrades so far:

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=626 (http://thestanggangar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=626)

[Blackjack]

Maximum Motorsports ALL THE WAY!!!! I've got there lower control arms, torque arm, and CC plates. Waiting on money for my panhard bar. Great stuff, awesome quality!

Transmission was, I'm going with a T-56 in my junk. I think the 6spd is super cool but pricey, I'm pieceing together my junk.

[04_S/C_GT]

Yeah I've heard nothing but good things about MM so I was planning on using mostly their stuff. I like the idea of the 6 spd too. Especially since they came out with T-56 Magnum. But the price is gonna be way up there.

[Blackout_03]

Im a "if it aint broke dont fix it kinda guy" The 6speed is a cool bragging right but its not really a good bang for the buck if your tranny is still fine.

MM makes great parts but they are really proud of them. Looking at your list of mods already you have a great start power wise and are pretty much maxed out on the stock block....I would concentrate on makeing the power you have now more fun.

First......4.10 gears with a 31 spline FRPP locker and 31 spline Moser axels and a FRPP Diff cover/brace....your blower will love the steeper gears and will make the car 1000 times more fun to drive. I would also add a set of Drag Radials at the same time. Just to make sure you stay the same direction you started out going...lol

Second....upper/lower rear control arms...tubular with poly bushings with a good set of shocks...I would also look into a good rear swaybar...im assuming you want a good handling car that likes to turn but will also launch pretty hard. Also get a set of Full Length Sub Frame Conns...they help with body roll 100%....Steeda and MM make an extra long set...go with one of those

Third.....Tubular K member with coilovers and a good set of shocks, Steeda X2 ball Joints, and steeda bump steer kit tie rod ends...they help correct the front geometry of a lowered stang, also a good sway bar for the front also!!

Forth...Brakes....bang for the buck you can get the Cobra/mach front brake kit for pretty cheap...they are pretty good when paired with good pads and rotors...but if you want world class brakes...go with a set of Baer brakes..but they are $$$

But that is just my list if i was in your shoes......give me a holla when you get back....we can install 99% of those parts!

[04_S/C_GT]

My tranny isnt completely dead but its getting there. It rocks alot and grinds going into some gears and then grinds while in some gears.

With 4:10 gears and a 5 speed, what kind of RPM am I looking at for the highway?

This is pretty much the direction I was wanting to go.

Thanks for the offer and I'll probably take you up on that.

[Blackout_03]

I have 4.10s and at 70 is @ 2200...well if your tranny is going anyways I would get one from a 03-04 cobra. You could spend the money on a new one but of you can find a used one thats the route I would go. While your at it i would upgrade to a 26 spline input shaft with a new clutch and the drive shaft for the 03-04 bra also. Might not need the extra strength right now but its good preventive mods!

Im not sure what tune your running but a good dyno tune is good money invested also.


Also...the T56 and 3650 have the same Overdrive ratio of .62..so the gears wont change the RPM on the freeway. It just gives you an extra gear 4th is 1.1 and 5 is .82 and 6th is .62

[04_S/C_GT]

How much am I looking to spend on a used T-56? Also I read that the T-56 is only good to 450 ft/lbs and if thats true and I'm alraedy sitting at 400 then wouldnt it be a waste of money?

I planned on taking it to dynospeed so that they can check it for me and I can have a proper dyno sheet at least. If they find that its tuned improperly then thats just a bonus. So unless I just really want a 6 spd, it would be no different then having a 5 spd for the highway?

[Blackout_03]

Not sure what the T-56s are rated at....but there's a lot of 600+ cars out there rocking the stock tranny with upgraded clutches and input shafts.

Yeah overall rpms won't drop between a 3650 and a T56. Most people swap to a 6sp for roll racing. You can race into 5 with a 6 sp. As to were I can only race to the top of 4th with my 5 speed....the drop in rpms on my car is crazy from 4th to 5th


Im running a Dynospeed tune and have no issues with them...Joe has always been great and promt with any question I have had. When I go with a built motor they will be the shop I deal with!

[04_S/C_GT]

Can I go with any T-56 and just buy the bellhousing for a mustang?

How much does dynospeed charge to tune?

[Blackjack]

If you get one straight out of a 03-04 cobra it would bolt up. I've opted to build my own. A buddy at work had one he took out of a 94 LT1 camaro. The only good gears it had were 1, 3, 5, and reverse. Haha! However, I got the complete trans for $180.00, I've got buy the bell housing for the windsor block, change the mid plate and input shaft (using a different lenght input shaft and mid plate because the LT has a hydraulic style clutch while mine uses a cable), then change the yoke on my drive shaft, buy or fab up a cross member. Last rebuild the trans, I figured I'm going to have roughly $1600 to $1700 total to build this thing, while I was going to build my T-5 with parts from Astro Performance for a little over $1800.

Plus because this trans came out of a LT1 car it has a .50 6th gear. Yeah mileage boyie!

[04_S/C_GT]

Why is it that everyone else finds the good deals? Keep an eye out for me one please.

[my4stangs]

Keith Craft has a good short block 4.6.

[Bigjht]

IMO go with the Viper Spec T56, which I think is the same ratios that Blackjack was talking about in the LT1 car. I had a Cobra T56 in my 99 GT and I had to upgrade to 4.10s just to get close to the gearing I had with my 5 Speed and 3.73s due to the gear ratios in the transmission. The strength part was awesome and it was fun to drive but I would've liked to have that better 6th gear and the lower 1-3 gears as well. It is much better equipped to give you all the gearing you want for off the line and then the availability for cruising as well down the highway.